(Sonstiges) Chinas Trägerprogramm

[Erich]

das ist interessant:
nach <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1681621/inside-story-chinas-first-aircraft-carrier-two-part-special-liaoning?utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=outbrain&utm_campaign=OutbrainCampaign-Generic-Desktop">http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/ ... ic-Desktop</a><!-- m -->

The inside story of the China's first aircraft carrier: two-part special on Liaoning starts Monday

PUBLISHED : Sunday, 18 January, 2015, 11:21am
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For the first time, too, Xu revealed that contrary to widespread speculation, the four engines of the carrier were intact and not hollowed out.

A refit in 2011 restored the engines to operating condition.
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[Erich]

die angekündigten Berichte
1. Teil:
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1681710/sea-trials-how-one-man-bought-china-its-aircraft-carrier">http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/ ... ft-carrier</a><!-- m -->

Mission impossible: How one man bought China its first aircraft carrier

Xu Zengping reveals for the first time the negotiations behind buying the Liaoning for the PLA Navy - and the secret behind its engines
UPDATED : Monday, 19 January, 2015, 8:57am
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"When I was taken to the carrier's engine room by the shipyard's chief engineer, I found all four engines were brand new and carefully grease-sealed, each of them originally costing US$20 million," Xu said. He said a refit finished in 2011 restored the four engines to operating condition.
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Macau-based military observer Antony Wong Dong said that after years of negotiations, the Black Sea shipyard also transferred their engine technology to China's Harbin Turbine Company, a manufacturing plant specialising in military boilers, turbines and steam equipment.
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"The original propulsion system designed for the Liaoning was the same as that of the Russian Kuznetsov-class aircraft carrier with a top speed of 32 knots. But the Liaoning is 6,000 tonnes heavier, so logically it would be slower," Wong said. "But recent sea trials showed the Liaoning's top speed was as fast as 32 knots, indicating its propulsion system has been upgraded."
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[Erich]

die angekündigten Berichte
1. Teil:
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1681710/sea-trials-how-one-man-bought-china-its-aircraft-carrier">http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/ ... ft-carrier</a><!-- m -->

Mission impossible: How one man bought China its first aircraft carrier

Xu Zengping reveals for the first time the negotiations behind buying the Liaoning for the PLA Navy - and the secret behind its engines
UPDATED : Monday, 19 January, 2015, 8:57am
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"When I was taken to the carrier's engine room by the shipyard's chief engineer, I found all four engines were brand new and carefully grease-sealed, each of them originally costing US$20 million," Xu said. He said a refit finished in 2011 restored the four engines to operating condition.
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Macau-based military observer Antony Wong Dong said that after years of negotiations, the Black Sea shipyard also transferred their engine technology to China's Harbin Turbine Company, a manufacturing plant specialising in military boilers, turbines and steam equipment.
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"The original propulsion system designed for the Liaoning was the same as that of the Russian Kuznetsov-class aircraft carrier with a top speed of 32 knots. But the Liaoning is 6,000 tonnes heavier, so logically it would be slower," Wong said. "But recent sea trials showed the Liaoning's top speed was as fast as 32 knots, indicating its propulsion system has been upgraded."
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[Erich]

2. Teil:
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1681755/how-xu-zengping-became-middleman-chinas-deal-buy-liaoning">http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/ ... y-liaoning</a><!-- m -->

The inside story of the Liaoning: how Xu Zengping sealed deal for China's first aircraft carrier

In the mid-1990s, the former PLA basketball star was contacted by officers within the PLA Navy with a secretive mission: go to Ukraine and buy the Soviet-built carrier

UPDATED : Monday, 19 January, 2015, 9:38am
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The navy formed a team led by General Liu Huaqing in late April 1970 to investigate possibilities, according to the Southern Weekly. Liu proposed that China build its own carrier, but Beijing was wary of the idea - such a project would raise the international community's suspicions over China's territorial ambitions and in any case the country could not afford to research and develop the vessel from scratch.

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But what had seemed like a done deal wasn't. In mid-February, Ukrainian officials told him the carrier would be sold through an open auction. Other countries were interested in the ship and he had just three days to put in his bid. The sudden change in the negotiations worked to Xu's advantage - with the help of his Ukrainian friends, he was the only bidder to get his documents ready on time and meet all the key requirements. On March 19, 1998, Xu outbid opponents from the US, Australia, South Korea and Japan and won the ship.

That night an unmarked helicopter landed on the deck of the carrier. Xu did not know who it was but he had his suspicions. Spooked, he arranged the next day to have the 40 tonnes of blueprints for the carrier packed into eight trucks and moved overland to China. The Asian financial crisis meant it took Xu another year to get the money together, but the final payment - including a US$10 million late charge - was made to the shipbuilder on April 30, 1999.
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[Erich]

2. Teil:
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1681755/how-xu-zengping-became-middleman-chinas-deal-buy-liaoning">http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/ ... y-liaoning</a><!-- m -->

The inside story of the Liaoning: how Xu Zengping sealed deal for China's first aircraft carrier

In the mid-1990s, the former PLA basketball star was contacted by officers within the PLA Navy with a secretive mission: go to Ukraine and buy the Soviet-built carrier

UPDATED : Monday, 19 January, 2015, 9:38am
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The navy formed a team led by General Liu Huaqing in late April 1970 to investigate possibilities, according to the Southern Weekly. Liu proposed that China build its own carrier, but Beijing was wary of the idea - such a project would raise the international community's suspicions over China's territorial ambitions and in any case the country could not afford to research and develop the vessel from scratch.

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But what had seemed like a done deal wasn't. In mid-February, Ukrainian officials told him the carrier would be sold through an open auction. Other countries were interested in the ship and he had just three days to put in his bid. The sudden change in the negotiations worked to Xu's advantage - with the help of his Ukrainian friends, he was the only bidder to get his documents ready on time and meet all the key requirements. On March 19, 1998, Xu outbid opponents from the US, Australia, South Korea and Japan and won the ship.

That night an unmarked helicopter landed on the deck of the carrier. Xu did not know who it was but he had his suspicions. Spooked, he arranged the next day to have the 40 tonnes of blueprints for the carrier packed into eight trucks and moved overland to China. The Asian financial crisis meant it took Xu another year to get the money together, but the final payment - including a US$10 million late charge - was made to the shipbuilder on April 30, 1999.
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[Erich]

3. Teil:
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1682731/mission-impossible-ii-battle-get-chinas-aircraft-carrier-home">http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/ ... rrier-home</a><!-- m -->

Mission impossible II: the battle to get China's aircraft carrier home
After sealing deal for China's first aircraft carrier, Xu Zengping had a new challenge: taking it home

UPDATED : Tuesday, 20 January, 2015, 5:46pm

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"US$20 million was just the auction price of the carrier. In fact, I had to pay at least US$120 million for the deal from 1996 to 1999. But I still haven't received one fen from our government. I just handed it over to the navy."
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[Erich]

Die deutsche Welle hat jetzt eine Zusammenfassung der o.g. Berichte vorgenommen
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.dw.de/chinas-weg-zum-flugzeugtr%C3%A4ger/a-18217800">http://www.dw.de/chinas-weg-zum-flugzeu ... a-18217800</a><!-- m -->

Datum 28.01.2015
Chinas Weg zum Flugzeugträger

Betrug, Korruption und massenhaft Schnaps - damit kam China an seinen ersten Flugzeugträger. So schildert es eine Schlüsselfigur in einer Hongkonger Zeitung. ...

[upmeier]

langsam wirds hoch offiziell china baut seine 2.flugzeugtraeger
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[Erich]

danke, ebenso im Marineforum
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01 February

CHINA
Local media report on subcontracts (such as cables) for a “second aircraft carrier” and interpret them as “confirmation” that the ship is already under construction.
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"Local media" - Changzhou ist in unmittelbarer Nachbarschaft zu Shanghai, wo das "Katapult-Modul" dokumentiert wurde.

[Erich]

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10 February

CHINA
Chinese internet forum discusses possible refurbishing of former Soviet KIEV class aircraft carriers KIEV and MINSK which for more than a decade have served as hotel-theme parks in Tianjian and Shenzhen … might find a new role in support of future carrier battle groups
(rmks: rather far-fetched … building completely new ships would be much cheaper and less risky)
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für die MINSK hätte ich mir das noch vorstellen können - aber die KIEW ist viel zu luxuriös umgebaut und dann auch noch in einem extremen Flachwasserbereich vertäut, hinter einem extra errichteten Damm ... und wohl nur bei absoluter Springflut überhaupt wieder weg zu bringen ....

[upmeier]

das chinesische elektromagnetsche flugzeugkatapult funktioniert problemlos,sodass es wahrscheinlich
auf dem in bau befindlichen flugzeugtraeger zum einsatz kommt.
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://english.chinamil.com.cn/news-channels/china-military-news/2015-03/10/content_6389562.htm">http://english.chinamil.com.cn/news-cha ... 389562.htm</a><!-- m -->

[Erich]

Danke :wink:

[Erich]

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14 March

CHINA
A senior naval officer has told media, China „is building” its second aircraft carrier … most explicit confirmation yet of a widely expected move.
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die Meldungen verdichten sich

[Erich]

hoher französischer Militärbesuch auf der Liaoning
<!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://slide.mil.news.sina.com.cn/h/slide_8_203_35125.html#p=1">http://slide.mil.news.sina.com.cn/h/sli ... 5.html#p=1</a><!-- m -->
(chinesische Seite, aber Fotos)

[Erich]

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27 April

CHINA
Aircraft carrier LIAONING has begun embarking operational (vs. test/training aircraft) J-15 carrier-based fighter jets ... sources indicate will eventually be able to carry up to 24 such fighter jets ... only recently (10-18 Apr) reported in flight training in Bohai Bay.

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