(Sonstiges) Chinas Trägerprogramm

[spooky]

ist man für eine entmagnetisierung nicht etwas früh dran. das ganze "gerümpel" auf dem flugdeck behindert die arbeiten doch unnötig. im vergleich zu den anderen entmagneisierungen (z.b. bilder der f-22p) erscheint mir das auch etwas dürftig aber vielleicht ist man ja noch dabei die kabel anzubringen.

[Erich]

letzteres - die ersten Kabel hängen drann ....

[Erich]

:? ein Aprilscherz :?:
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PLA's first carrier 'ready by 2012'
Blue-water navy plans advancing, US says
Greg Torode Chief Asia correspondent
Apr 01, 2010
China could have its first aircraft carrier operational in two years, according to the most senior US military official in the Asia-Pacific region....
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der Artikel bezieht sich auf die ex-Varjag - dann wäre mir allerdings unklar, was die Anbringung von diesen Entmagnetisierungskabeln jetzt soll ....

[spooky]

also ich finde zwei jahre nicht wirklich unrealistisch, zumal ja von "operational" gesprochen wird. imho sollten in der zeit ja dann auch maschinen- und elektronikerprobung durchgeführt worden sein.

[Erich]

ok, und die Übungen mit der Crew und und und ... da sind dann zwei Jahre nich wirklich lange ...

edit:
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[Erich]

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Russian carrier becomes “Made in China” vessel prototype?

Published 27 October, 2009, 13:03

Edited 18 February, 2010, 12:46

If imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, then Russia should be very flattered indeed. That’s because China’s new aircraft carrier bears a striking resemblance to an old Russian model.
However, experts say the Chinese will still find it extremely difficult to build an aircraft carrier of their own.

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Russia’s Varyag is outdated – China

Despite the accusations of hardware piracy in the past, Chinese analysts believe that there will be no need to copy Russian designs in this instance.

“Media hype says China is copying a Russian aircraft carrier. I have to say again, we need to gain experience from others in military technology, but we never copy any specific thing from any country,” that’s the assessment of Ji Zhiye, Vice President, China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations.

“I have seen the Varyag, and actually it is only used as a tourist attraction. Its technology is old-fashioned and it is not advanced enough for our modern navy.” ....

[Erich]

inzwischen ist die Malerei ziemlich abgeschlossen

[revan]

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J-15 prototype was finished, China started the aircraft carrier pilot training


According to 21, reported the latest issue of the Canadian “Chinese Defense Review” magazine, said China has launched aircraft personnel training project, training centers may be located in Huludao.

The article said that as China’s first ship-borne fighter aircraft F -15 manufactured prototype, China will build test base for the Navy, similar to Ukraine’s Navy carrier fighter NITKA as test center. Reported that China’s naval pilot training center, carrier-based fighter aircraft flight test center is most likely located in Liaoning Huludao area......

Anscheinend hat China die Su33 1 zu 1 kopiert. hock:



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China will build 4-6 aircraft carriers, F-15 carrier aircraft has been flight

June 2, 2010 issue of “Jane’s Defense Weekly” magazine published in Washington correspondent Ted – Parsons (Ted Parsons) of the article, the article entitled “China test carrier-based version of F-11B prototype” . Jane’s said that China FYJS military site has revealed a new version of the F-11B photos canard wing and the short of caudal and other features are consistent with the SU -33, Jane’s also noted that China develop its own carrier version of F-11B at the same time, it may also purchase Su -33, is also possible that China’s use of carrier-based version of the F-11B to promote further bargaining with Russia. Jane’s also speculation that 4-6 aircraft carriers in China and the rapid construction of aircraft carrier construction program is perhaps the result of orders for Russian Su -33.

The article first said that Shenyang Aircraft Corporation (Shenyang Aircraft Corporation) airport showed pictures of looks: China now is testing a F-11B fighter prototype carrier-based version of the early.

Jane’s article said that China FYJS military site on May 20 revealed the photos show a new version of the F-11B aircraft, with the front wing Gaixing Ji obvious “duck”-style wing, relatively short caudal (Editor’s Note: China Forum called it “F-15″ carrier-based fighter). These features are produced by the company and the Russian Sukhoi SU -33 line carrier aircraft, and reported consistent with Shenyang over the years trying to “copy” of the model.

Jane’s article goes on to say, the latest pictures in this group before, there is a group of pictures show, the PLA Naval Air Force (PLANAF) forces in the procurement of land (non-carrier) of the F-11B aircraft. In late August 2009, several Chinese military forum for the dissemination of a web site on anecdotes, said carrier-based version of the F-11B has already begun testing new network message is implied, and now may also include slip jump (off) test......

[Erich]

diese Phantasien über eine chinesische J(F)-15 und die Zahl der chinesischen Träger geistern schon länger durch chinesische Internet-Foren, bisher ist noch nichs belegbar.
Vermutungen zur J-15 glaub ich erst, wenn mir Deino bestätigt, dass was "drann ist" :wink:
Im Übrigen: nach russischen Quellen ist der Clone noch nicht geflogen und auch noch schlechter als das Original:
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Chinesischer Klon J-15 macht dem russischen Kampfjet Su-33 kaum Konkurrenz
20:32 | 04/ 06/ 2010

MOSKAU, 04. Juni (RIA Novosti). Der erste chinesische schiffsgestürzte Kampfjet J-15, der demnächst in die Tests gehen soll, kann seiner russischen Baugrundlage, der Su-33, wegen seiner bescheidenen technischen Daten kaum Konkurrenz machen.

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Bei der T10K, die China in der Ukraine gekauft hatte, handle es sich um ein Versuchsmuster mit zahlreichen Konstruktionsfehlern, die in den Weiterentwicklungen behoben worden seien.

Medienberichte, dass die chinesischen Experten das Problem mit den Schwenkflügeln, das bei T10K bestand, selbständig beseitigen konnten, entsprechen laut Korotschenko kaum der Wahrheit. Eine weitere technische Hürde, die für die Chinesen kaum überwindbar sei, sei das Triebwerk.

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Nach CAWAT-Angaben will China bis zum Jahr 2020 etwa vier mittelschwere Flugzeugträger mit einer Wasserverdrängung von rund 65.000 Tonnen bauen und im Südchinesischen und im Ostchinesischen Meer stationieren.
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[Erich]

mal wieder kräftig sepkuliert - oder: wie seriös ist die Asia Times?
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China's pro-missile navy sinks carriers
By Peter J Brown

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The first PLAN carrier is expected to have the keel laid by the end of 2010. A second hull should follow within a year. Both will rely on a ski-jump flight deck configuration, and not the steam catapult-based launch systems used on US carriers.

As for China's purchase in 1998 of the 67,000-ton Ukrainian-built Varyag, it is currently being fitted in the port of Dalian. It will likely serve as a carrier training platform for pilots flying J-15 aircraft until the indigenous PLAN carriers are commissioned around 201
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"China is more likely to have smaller, less capable carriers suited to air support of surface action groups that are carrying out missions such as sea-lane security beyond the range of land-based air from Chinese bases," said McVadon. "The USN is not a model for the PLAN. Chinese leaders do not contemplate an ability to conduct massive air strikes against naval forces or targets ashore. Carrier aviation as done by the USN does not serve China's purposes. Having organic air available to PLAN units trying to deter attacks on tankers en route to China does make sense."
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"A series of Hong Kong and Japanese newspaper articles from January 2009 citing Chinese shipbuilding and military sources indicated that the PLA was going to build two new Varyag style carriers, and then two larger nuclear-powered carriers," said Richard Fisher, senior fellow at the Washington, DC-based International Assessment and Strategy Center. "In the past, other PLA sources have indicated to US visitors their desire to build up to six carriers."
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23 July

CHINA
Asian Times: “The first PLAN carrier is expected to have the keel laid by the end of 2010. A second hull should follow within a year. Both will rely on a ski-jump flight deck configuration.”
(rmks: wait and see)
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[Erich]

Nach neueren Bildern ist die Insel der Varjag seit etwa 3 Monaten in PLAN-grau gestrichen; das Gerüst steht aber immer noch und könnte wohl auch dafür genutzt werden, die Sensoren und Antennen zu installieren.

[Erich]

Nach neuesten Bildern hat die Varjag inzwischen am Pier einen Probelauf des Antriebs durchgeführt
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[spooky]

müßte man da nicht eigentlich eine deutliche abgasfahne sehen?

[Erich]

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Neuerdings trainieren chinesische Marineflieger auf dem brasilianischen Flugzeugträger, da für Chinas zukünftigen Flugzeugträger ebenfalls ein Katapultsystem vorgesehen ist.
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[Tiger]

Das klingt danach, als würde China bei der Entwicklung seines Flugzeugträgers - oder zumindest einiger Komponenten, wie etwa des Katapults - klare Fortschritte machen.