02.06.2009, 09:54
Ich bin ja nur gelegetlicher Teilnehmer an dieser Diskussion im Hintergrund, habe aber hier aus dem Key-Forum zwei Quellen gefunden, bei den ich nachhaken möchte, ... vielleicht kann ja einer von den Spezialisten helfen.
zum fettgedruckten Teil: Ist das inzwischen offiziell ??? :?: Ich habe diese Meldung bislang nur als Gerücht eingeschätzt.
Hmmm ... damit wird ja deutlich, worauf die Zusammenarbeit wirklich rausläuft.
Deino
Zitat:Chinese Carrier Goes Into Dry Dock
by James Dunnigan
May 14, 2009
China has moved its aircraft carrier, the Shi Lang, into dry dock, apparently to install engines and other heavy equipment. A year ago, the Russian aircraft carrier Varyag was renamed the Shi Lang (after the Chinese general who took possession of Taiwan in 1681, the first time China ever paid any attention to the island) and given the pennant number 83. The Chinese have been refurbishing the Varyag, one of the Kuznetsov class that Russia began building in the 1980s, for five years now. It is expected to be ready for sea trials by the end of the year. Maybe. No one is sure exactly what plans the Chinese have for the Shi Lang, although work has been going on for years, and it's believed that the carrier will eventually be used to train the first generation of Chinese carrier aviators and sailors.
The Varyag has been tied up in a Chinese shipyard at Dailan since 2002. While the ship is under guard, it can be seen from a nearby highway. From that vantage point, local military and naval buffs have noted that some kind of work is being done on the ship. The only visible signs of this work are a new paint job (in the gray shade used by the Chinese navy) and ongoing work on the superstructure (particularly the tall island on the flight deck.) Many workers can be seen on the ship, and material is seen going into (new stuff) and out of (old stuff) the ship. Shipyard workers report ever tighter security on the carriers, and stern instructions to workers to not report details of what is happening on the carriers.
Originally the Kuznetsovs were to be 90,000 ton, nuclear powered ships, similar to American carriers (complete with steam catapults). Instead, because of the high cost, and the complexity of modern (American style) carriers, the Russians were forced to scale back their plans, and ended up with the 65,000 ton (full load ) ships that lacked steam catapults, and used a ski jump type flight deck instead. Nuclear power was dropped, but the Kuznetsov class was still a formidable design. The thousand foot long carrier normally carries a dozen navalized Su-27s (called Su-33s), 14 Ka-27PL anti-submarine helicopters, two electronic warfare helicopters and two search and rescue helicopters. But the ship can carry up to 36 Su-33s and sixteen helicopters. The ship carries 2,500 tons of aviation fuel, allowing it to generate 500-1,000 aircraft and helicopter sorties. Crew size is 2,500 (or 3,000 with a full aircraft load.) Only two ships of this class exist; the original Kuznetsov, which is in Russian service, and the Varyag. Currently, the Kuznetsov is operating in the Mediterranean.
The Chinese have been in touch with Russian naval construction firms, and may have purchased plans and technology for equipment installed in the Kuznetsov. Some Chinese leaders have quipped about having a carrier by 2010 (this would have to be a refurbished Varyag). Even that would be an ambitious schedule, and the Chinese have been burned before when they tried to build new military technology in a hurry.
Late last year, China announced that its first class of carrier aviators had begun training at the Dalian Naval Academy. The naval officers will undergo a four year course of instruction to turn them into fighter pilots capable of operating off a carrier. China already has an airfield, in the shape of a carrier deck, built at an inland facility. The Russians have warned China that it may take them a decade or more to develop the knowledge and skills needed to efficiently run an aircraft carrier. The Chinese are game, and are slogging forward.
zum fettgedruckten Teil: Ist das inzwischen offiziell ??? :?: Ich habe diese Meldung bislang nur als Gerücht eingeschätzt.
Zitat:AGÊNCIA OF THE NEWS XINHUA - CHINA
Chinese sailors will realise practices in Brazil
BRASILIA, 19 may (Xinhua) -- The Navy of Brazil will offer training to officials of Navy of the Popular Army of Liberación (EPL) of China, especially in the operation of aircraft carrier, today informed the minister into Defense of Brazil, Nelson Jobim.
The minister said east Tuesday to the press that the cooperation was decided during the visit commander of Brazilian Navy, Carlos Soares de Net Moura, to the Asian country in April, by the celebration of the 60 anniversary of the foundation of the Navy of the EPL. " Admiral Net Moura was in China, and we committed ourselves to receive officials Chinese to train them in the Brazilian ships, and including in the Sao Paulo aircraft carrier " , Jobim said. " China wants to retake its Navy, but precise instruction, therefore it remembered that they would come Chinese to train, to learn. They mainly are interested in portaaviones" , he added. In last March, the minister of Defense of China, general Liang Guanglie, put of manifesto the necessity that China owns an aircraft carrier, because it is the unique country between the main powers of the world that does not own it. The Brazilian minister stood out that the naval-army cooperation can be the departure point for others initiatives in the defense area. " With China which we have in the field of Defense it is that possibility. And you know that he begins with that, later the things go away sucediendo" , he indicated. Jobim anticipated in addition that opportunely he himself will go to China to define the details of that general agreement. China maintains a Strategic Alliance with Brazil from 1993, that includes a flood cooperation in the technological area, and this year happened to be its main commercial partner, surpassing to the United States. During the visit to Peking that president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva initiated east Monday was decided in addition a loan to 10,000 million dollars granted by the Development bank of China for oil state Petrobra's. With the referred credit, oil Brazilian prentende to extend the petroleum exploration in I milk submarine continental Brazilian.
Hmmm ... damit wird ja deutlich, worauf die Zusammenarbeit wirklich rausläuft.
Deino