(Sonstiges) Chinas Trägerprogramm

[Erich]

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09 October
• Aircraft carrier LIANONING completes 39-day sea trials (begun on 31 Aug).
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[Erich]

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21 October

CHINA
Rumours that aircraft carrier LIAONING may have experienced „technical troubles“ during recent sea trials … “steam explosion temporarily knocked out the electrical power system”

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hock: die werden doch nicht die alten russischen Maschinen behalten haben :?: :?: :?: :?:
hier <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-troubled-air-craft-carriers-2014-10#ixzz3GlISXUoN">http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-t ... z3GlISXUoN</a><!-- m --> ist der Orginal-Artikel, auf den sich die meisten Foren beziehen

[Tiger]

@Erich
Ich kann mich erinnern, bezüglich der Liaoning Probleme mit der Kesselanlage vorhergesagt zu haben. Brauchst nur hier im Thread eine Seite zurückzublättern...

Hier übrigens noch ein Artikel über den jüngsten Unfall an Bord der Liaoning, auf den du dich wahrscheinlich beziehst:
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China’s Aircraft Carrier Trouble—Spewing Steam and Losing Power

There’s no more of a conspicuous and potent symbol of China’s growing naval power than the aircraft carrier Liaoning.

But the 53,000-ton, 999-foot-long carrier could be dangerous to her crew and prone to engine failures. If so, that makes the vessel as much of a liability as an asset to Beijing.

[Mitleser]

hock: die werden doch nicht die alten russischen Maschinen behalten haben :?: :?: :?: :?:
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Natürlich nicht. Die haben sie eins zu eins kopiert :wink:

[Erich]

na ja, ich hätte ja Diesel (gibt's ausgezeichnete Lizenzprodukte) als Standardantrieb und zuschaltbare Turbinen für Spitzengeschwindigkeit (CODAG) präferiert, aber mich fragt ja keiner -

Aktuell?
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22. October
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•Kanwa defence monthly: while first indigenous aircraft carrier under construction at Dalian Shipyard, construction of a second indigenous Chinese aircraft carrier is prepared at Jiangnan Shipyard (Shanghai).
(rmks: unconfirmed; both would add to LIAONING)
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es gibt zwei Demo-Module - mit "Sprungschanze" in Dalian, und mit Katapult in Shanghai ...
hier <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1621671/shanghai-shipyard-build-second-chinese-designed-aircraft-carrier?utm_source=The+Sinocism+China+Newsletter&utm_campaign=809323b4f2-The_Sinocism_China_Newsletter_10_22_14&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_171f237867-809323b4f2-1820733&mc_cid=809323b4f2&mc_eid=42eaf83988">http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/ ... 42eaf83988</a><!-- m --> ist ein weiterer Artikel dazu, wobei Kanwa manchmal alte Gerüchte als neue Nachricht verpackt

[Erich]

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es gibt zwei Demo-Module - mit "Sprungschanze" in Dalian, und mit Katapult in Shanghai ...

wie gesagt: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20141023000104&cid=1101">http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subc ... 4&cid=1101</a><!-- m -->

Second Chinese aircraft carrier to be completed in 6 years: Kanwa

Staff Reporter 2014-10-23 15:21 (GMT+8)
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The Kanwa Defense Review said that the Dalian Shipyard has already begun construction on the Type 001A carrier. The shipyard has been working on the project for ten years. For security reason, a 400-meter long indoor building berth was built. The article said that the aircraft carrier will likely be equipped with a steam turbine designed in Harbin in northeastern China and the steel plates for the ships will be mostly sourced from Shanghai.

Like the Liaoning, the Type 001A has a ski-jump ramp.

The magazine said that the Jiangnan Shipyard in Shanghai is designing a second domestic aircraft carrier as well. This new ship is likely to be fitted with a catapult similar to US carriers.

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[Erich]

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27 October
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CHINA
Expert aired on Chinese CCTV: although ship-borne aircraft not yet at full strength, aircraft carrier LIAONING has completed individual ship training and entered task force training.

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nach diesem Video-Bericht (knapp 1 Min. chinesische NAchrichten) <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k04kGK6RnY0&feature=player_embedded">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k04kGK6R ... r_embedded</a><!-- m --> hat die Laoning schon vor 1 Jahr bei der Verlegung in das südchinesische Meer bereits Übungen mit einer Escort-Flotte (ab Sek 23) incl. mind. 1 U-Boot durchgeführt

[Erich]

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21 October

CHINA
Rumours that aircraft carrier LIAONING may have experienced „technical troubles“ during recent sea trials … “steam explosion temporarily knocked out the electrical power system”

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hock: die werden doch nicht die alten russischen Maschinen behalten haben :?: :?: :?: :?:
hier <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-troubled-air-craft-carriers-2014-10#ixzz3GlISXUoN">http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-t ... z3GlISXUoN</a><!-- m --> ist der Orginal-Artikel, auf den sich die meisten Foren beziehen

dazu aktuell ein Dementi:
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Defense spokesman dismisses aircraft carrier explosion Report

BEIJING, Oct. 30 -- Reports in foreign media of an explosion on board China's Liaoning aircraft carrier did "not conform with the facts", Defense Ministry spokesman Yang Yujun told a regular press conference Thursday.
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[Erich]

mal wieder Spekulation, aber wegen des letzten verlinkten Satzes scheint es mir wert, die hier zu bringen
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China will have better aircraft carriers than India, Japan: Kanwa

Staff Reporter 2014-12-25 09:09 (GMT+8)
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However, a senior official from the Jiangnan Shipyard in Shanghai, believed to be the location where construction of China's first domestically built carrier is underway, claimed that the Type 001A aircraft carrier will be better than both the Vikramaditya and Japan's Izumo-class helicopter destroyers.

es gibt ja zwei unterschiedliche (Demo-)Module: in Dalian eine Bugsektion mit "Sprungschanze", die wie eine Kopie der Liaoning ausschaut - und in Shanghais Jiangnan Werft ein Mittelteil - Übergang in die Bugsektion - mit einer "Katapult-Rinne" auf dem Winkeldeck.
Wenn Jiangnan den ersten selbst konstruierten chinesischen Träger baut, dann wird das ein Katapult-Modell ... und damit besser als die Sprungschanzentechnik der Inder.
Und dass die Konstruktion "unterwegs" sein soll .... macht die Aussage spannend.

[Erich]

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30 December

CHINA
Final home base for aircraft carriers not decided yet … MoD spokesman mentions “variety of options” ranging from Sanya (Hainan) and Zhoushan to Qingdao.
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ich denke, da wird mit zunehmender Zahl der Träger in jedem der genannten Häfen eine CBG stationiert, und die Liaoning wird bis dahin immer wieder zwischen Dalian und Sanya pendeln

[Erich]

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05 January

CHINA
To shield aircraft carrier LIAONING from „spying“ from new high-rise buildings, the Chinese navy reportedly has erected an 800-m-long, 22-m-high wall between the Dalian naval base and parts of the city.
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für die Liaoning wäre das nicht mehr erforderlich - das Schiff ist fertig und nicht mehr auf der Bauwerft. Aber beim letzten Werftaufenthalt wurde in der Halle hinter dem Liegeplatz der Liaoning ein Modul mit einer "Sprungschanze" wie bei der Liaoning enttarnt.
Sollte da ein Nachbau der Lioning im Entstehen sein?

[Erich]

nach Foren-Meldungen, die sich auf chinesische Quellen berufen, hat die zweite Gruppe von 8 Piloten bis Ende November letzten Jahres die Träger-Qualifikation erworben. Da die ersten Piloten mit solchen Lizenzen immer auch spätere Fluglehrer sind, müssten also inzwischen 16 Fluglehrer für Träger-Piloten zur Verfügung stehen.

[Erich]

das ist interessant:
nach <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1681621/inside-story-chinas-first-aircraft-carrier-two-part-special-liaoning?utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=outbrain&utm_campaign=OutbrainCampaign-Generic-Desktop">http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/ ... ic-Desktop</a><!-- m -->

The inside story of the China's first aircraft carrier: two-part special on Liaoning starts Monday

PUBLISHED : Sunday, 18 January, 2015, 11:21am
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For the first time, too, Xu revealed that contrary to widespread speculation, the four engines of the carrier were intact and not hollowed out.

A refit in 2011 restored the engines to operating condition.
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[Erich]

die angekündigten Berichte
1. Teil:
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Mission impossible: How one man bought China its first aircraft carrier

Xu Zengping reveals for the first time the negotiations behind buying the Liaoning for the PLA Navy - and the secret behind its engines
UPDATED : Monday, 19 January, 2015, 8:57am
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"When I was taken to the carrier's engine room by the shipyard's chief engineer, I found all four engines were brand new and carefully grease-sealed, each of them originally costing US$20 million," Xu said. He said a refit finished in 2011 restored the four engines to operating condition.
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Macau-based military observer Antony Wong Dong said that after years of negotiations, the Black Sea shipyard also transferred their engine technology to China's Harbin Turbine Company, a manufacturing plant specialising in military boilers, turbines and steam equipment.
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"The original propulsion system designed for the Liaoning was the same as that of the Russian Kuznetsov-class aircraft carrier with a top speed of 32 knots. But the Liaoning is 6,000 tonnes heavier, so logically it would be slower," Wong said. "But recent sea trials showed the Liaoning's top speed was as fast as 32 knots, indicating its propulsion system has been upgraded."
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[Erich]

die angekündigten Berichte
1. Teil:
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Mission impossible: How one man bought China its first aircraft carrier

Xu Zengping reveals for the first time the negotiations behind buying the Liaoning for the PLA Navy - and the secret behind its engines
UPDATED : Monday, 19 January, 2015, 8:57am
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"When I was taken to the carrier's engine room by the shipyard's chief engineer, I found all four engines were brand new and carefully grease-sealed, each of them originally costing US$20 million," Xu said. He said a refit finished in 2011 restored the four engines to operating condition.
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Macau-based military observer Antony Wong Dong said that after years of negotiations, the Black Sea shipyard also transferred their engine technology to China's Harbin Turbine Company, a manufacturing plant specialising in military boilers, turbines and steam equipment.
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"The original propulsion system designed for the Liaoning was the same as that of the Russian Kuznetsov-class aircraft carrier with a top speed of 32 knots. But the Liaoning is 6,000 tonnes heavier, so logically it would be slower," Wong said. "But recent sea trials showed the Liaoning's top speed was as fast as 32 knots, indicating its propulsion system has been upgraded."
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