22.08.2024, 22:06
(22.08.2024, 18:59)Wodan schrieb: Glaube zwar nicht das er es so gemeint hat, aber der Witz ist ja ganz einfach dass die IDF sich ja eben nicht in Krankenhäusern oder Kindergärten versteckt, oder dort seine Rakenterampen aufstellt.
Der gesamte Gazastreifen ist wie einen Ameisenbau untertunnelt. Und jeder der das Gebiet zu verteidigen plant, würde diese Strategie wählen. Die ganzen aus der Luft bombardierten Flüchtlingsunterkünfte, Schulen und Krankenhäuser unter denen sich jeweils "Kommandozentralen" befunden haben sollen, befinden sich im unmittelbaren Zugriff der IDF am Boden. Und es ist bekannt, dass sich dort zum Zeitpunkt des Abwurfes der Bomben hunderte Zivilisten aufhalten.
Ich weiß auch nicht wie man sich eine "Kommandozentrale" vorzustellen hat und in welcher Relation ihrer militärische Relevanz zu bewerten ist wenn es demnach mehrere hundert oder tausend davon geben muss scheinbar. Wir haben aber noch keine spannende Einrichtung der Hamas gesehen.
Und zum Thema menschliche Schutzschilde. Das ist ja der Kernvorwurf, bzw. die Legitimation. Die IDF schickt mittlerweile palästinensische Kinder in die möglicherweise verminten Tunneleingänge. Auch in der Westbank "arbeitet" die IDF ausgesprochen gerne mit palästinensischen Kindern als Schutz für den Nahkampf, als Faustpfand und zur Informationsgewinnung. Das sind Mittel des Terrors. Oder COIN Mittel wie Quintus sie neutral beschreibt. In seiner ursprünglichen Semantik umfasste der "Terror"-Begriff ganz explizit von rechtsstaatlicher Seite legitim einzusetzende Mittel für die Bekämpfung von Aufständen, also zur systematischen Einschüchterung subversiver Gruppen unterhalb des militärischen Levels. Israel betreibt zweifelsohne staatlichen Terror in systematischer Weise, auf täglicher Basis.
Jetzt kann man argumentieren, die Hamas würde das gleiche tun, wenn sie die Mittel dazu hätte. Fakt ist aber ebenso dass sie diese Mittel gar nicht hat und daher auch in der Konsequenz weniger Terror selbst verursacht als die IDF dies in systematischer Weise ohne technische Not und aus reinem Blutrausch heraus tut. Der Effekt dieser Handlungsweisen wird aber nicht befriedend sein oder zu Abschreckung führen. Ich vermute eher, dass es dazu führen wird, dass sich der Terror, vielleicht auch staatlicher, gegen die israelische Bevölkerung dadurch sogar verstärken wird. Es ist ja nicht so als würde nur der Israeli ein begründetes Rachegefühl verspüren.
Zitat:Die Hamas geht auch so ganz ohne Dies in diese Gebäude und tötet Wehrlose und Unschuldige, wenn man ihr die Möglichkeit dazu lässt. Ach, aber ich vergass, eine Baby ist ja nie Unschuldig, wenn es ein Babyjude ist.
...sprach er vor dem folgenden Hintergrund:
Zitat:6 April 2024https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/04/1148316
Gaza: ‘Systematic dismantling of healthcare must end’ says WHO
That’s the assessment following a WHO-led multi-agency mission to Al-Shifa Hospital in northern Gaza on 5 April which examined the extent of destruction following a weeks-long Israeli offensive aimed at rooting out militant forces who were allegedly operating inside.
The highly complex mission was conducted in collaboration with the acting Hospital Director.
Prior to the mission, WHO’s efforts to reach the hospital to evacuate patients and staff and conduct an assessment, were denied, delayed or impeded six times between 25 March and 1 April.
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“Access to health care in Gaza has become totally inadequate, and the ability of WHO and partners to help is constantly disrupted and impeded.”
Of the 36 main hospitals that used to serve over two million Gazans, only 10 remain somewhat functional, with severe limitations on the types of services they can deliver.
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“The systematic dismantling of healthcare must end”, said WHO.
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Zitat:Many of Gaza’s Medical Workers Have Been Detained or Killedhttps://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/02/world...srael.html
Out of a prewar total of about 20,000 health workers, 500 have been killed in the war, according to the W.H.O., and more than 300 are in Israeli detention, Gaza’s health ministry says.
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“Dr. Adnan’s case raises serious concerns that he died following torture at the hands of Israeli authorities — his death demands an independent international investigation,” Tlaleng Mofokeng, a U.N. special rapporteur on health care rights, said in a U.N. news release. The statement said that the doctor had “reportedly been beaten in prison, with his body showing signs of torture,” but gave no other details.
Israel’s prison service confirmed his death but declined to say anything about how he died.
Dr. Iyad Rantisi, a 53-year-old gynecologist who worked at Kamal Adwan Hospital in northern Gaza, also died in custody, in Shikma Prison on Nov. 11, six days after he was arrested, the Israeli news outlet Haaretz reported in June.
Israel’s internal security service, the Shin Bet, which Haaretz reported ran the interrogation facility at Shikma, said Dr. Rantisi had been arrested on suspicion of being involved in holding Israeli hostages. “The circumstances leading to his death are being checked by the relevant authorities,” the security agency said in a statement on June 19.
Since the Hamas-led attack on Israel on Oct. 7, many hospitals in Gaza have come under attack from the Israeli military, which has accused Hamas fighters of using them as bases. Hamas and Palestinian doctors have repeatedly denied that claim.
The U.N. Human Rights Office said it had gathered “credible information” that Israeli military raids on hospitals had often led “to mass detention and enforced disappearances, including of medical staff.” The “systematic attacks on hospitals” and the killing, detention and enforced disappearance of health workers had a devastating impact on the people,” the U.N. body said in a statement on June 25.
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Dr. Ahmed Al Moghrabi, who worked as a plastic surgeon at Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis before fleeing to Egypt, said the fate of many of his colleagues, including Dr. Khaled Al Serr, remains unknown.
He recounted the “utter chaos” he witnessed when Israeli forces laid siege to Nasser Hospital in February. He said that he saw snipers atop buildings surrounding the hospital, and that one of his nurses was shot in the chest. He said he left the building through a checkpoint that Israeli troops had set up yards away from the hospital.
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Zitat:Israeli Army Uses Palestinian Civilians to Inspect Potentially Booby-trapped Tunnels in Gazahttps://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024...b6b99e0000
'Our lives are more important than their lives': Gazans not suspected of terrorism are detained and sent as human shields to search tunnels and houses before IDF soldiers enter, with the full knowledge of senior Israeli officers, several sources say; IDF claims this practice is forbidden
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Zitat:The Israeli army has killed 42,510 Palestinians over the course of its 200-day attack, 38,621 of whom were civilians, including 10,091 women and 15,780 children. The bodies of several thousand are still stuck under the rubble, while thousands remain missing and are presumed dead. These statistics include the killing of 137 journalists, 356 medical personnel, and 42 civil defense personnel.https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-pa...nians-enar
Based on these data, the daily death toll for Palestinians has reached 212, including 50 women and 79 children. These are horrifying statistics and unprecedented in the context of contemporary warfare.
Euro-Med Monitor teams have documented thousands of crimes in which the Israeli army targeted Palestinian civilians as such, devoid of any involvement in military operations, lacking military justification, and disregarding the principles of proportionality and essential precautions.
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