19.09.2022, 08:45
Zu den deutschen Waffenlieferungen in die Ukraine (aus einer querschnittlich eher deutsch-kritischen Quelle):
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/09/fa...id-to.html
Hier mal eine recht aktuelle Liste (und besager Blog ist sehr genau was so etwas angeht, sind also nur definitiv bestätigte Lieferungen)
Wenn das mal nicht ein beachtlicher Haufen Material ist !
Und beschließend zur Leopard 2 Frage: Da ich grundsätzlich kein Freund des bisherigen MBT Konzeptes bin, wäre es für mich rein von daher auch gar kein Problem einfach ALLE Leopard 2 der Bundeswehr abzugeben und stattdessen hier neue Konzepte zu verfolgen und die freiwerdenden Soldaten und Mittel anderweitig zu verwenden. Das einzige was dem entgegen spricht ist die Frage der politischen Zielsetzung. Aber meiner Überzeugung nach sollte es hier entweder / oder heißen. Also entweder liefern wir einfach alle die wir haben, oder keinen. Alles dazwischen macht keinen Sinn. Und welche der beiden einzig sinnvollen Optionen gewählt wird, hängt davon ab was für eine Strategie man verfolgt.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/09/fa...id-to.html
Zitat:Contrary to popular perception, Germany has delivered significant amounts of arms and equipment to Ukraine to aid the country in its fight against the Russian military. In fact, the volume of arms deliveries by Berlin exceeds that of every other country safe for the United States and the United Kingdom. ......While ultimately positioning itself as a reliable partner of Ukraine, it can be argued that Berlin's communication to affirm its Ukraine stance and explain foreign policy goals has been nothing short of an unmitigated disaster.
Hier mal eine recht aktuelle Liste (und besager Blog ist sehr genau was so etwas angeht, sind also nur definitiv bestätigte Lieferungen)
Zitat:Delivered
Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Guns (24)
24 Gepards* [Training started in June 2022. Delivered from July 2022 onwards]
Multiple Rocket Launchers (3)
3 227mm M270 ''MARS'' [July 2022]
Self-Propelled Artillery (10)
10 155mm PzH 2000s [April 2022. Training completed in May 2022. Arrived to Ukraine in June (7) and July 2022 (3)] (Delivered along with 10.500 155mm rounds)
Armoured Fighting Vehicles (54)
54 M113G3DK/G4DKs [July and August 2022]
Man-Portable Air Defence Systems (3200)
500 FIM-92 Stingers [March 2022]
2700 9K32 Strela-2s [March 2022] (Former East German stocks)
Anti-Tank Weapons (23.800)
900 Panzerfaust 3 RPGs [2022] (Delivered along with 3000 DM72A1 (PzF 3-IT) and 50 DM32 Bunkerfaust rounds)
7.944 RGW 90 Matador RPGs** [Delivered from March 2022 onwards]
14.900 DM31 And PARM DM22 Anti-Tank Mines [2022]
Anti-Drone Systems (28)
10 Anti-Drone Guns* [2022]
14 Anti-Drone Sensors And Jammers* [2022]
12 Electronic Anti-Drone Devices* [2022]
Jammers (9)
2 Large Anti-Drone Jamming Systems* (Installed on HMMWV IMVs) [August 2022]
7 Radio Jammers* [August 2022]
Radars (9)
8 Ground Surveillance Radars* (Installed on HMMWV IMVs) [August 2022]
1 Cobra Counter-Battery Radar System* [September 2022]
Surveillance Unmanned Aerial Vehicles
Vectors** [June 2022]
Engineering Vehicles And Equipment (13)
3 Bergepanzer 2 Armoured Recovery Vehicles (ARVs)* [August 2022]
4 Remote Controlled Mine Clearance Systems* [August 2022]
6 HEP 70 Mobile Decontamination Vehicles [August 2022]
Vehicles (390)
30 Armoured Volkswagen Amarok SUVs [2022]
280 All-Terrain Vehicles (ATVs), Minibuses And Trucks [2022]
80 Pick-Up Trucks [2022]
Small Arms (100)
100 MG 3 General-Purpose Machine Guns [2022] (Delivered along with 500 spare barrels and breechlocks)
Ammunition
Ammunition For The 227mm M270 ''MARS'' MLRS [July 2022]
53.000 Rounds Of 35mm Ammunition For Gepard SPAAG [Delivered from June 2022 onwards]
4000 Rounds Of 35mm Practice Ammunition For Gepard SPAAG [August 2022]
10.500 155mm Artillery Rounds For PzH 2000 SPG [Delivered from June 2022 onwards]
SMArt 155 Guided Artillery Rounds For PzH 2000 SPG [Delivered from June 2022 onwards]
3 Million Rounds Of 5.56×45mm Ammunition [2022]
5 Million Rounds Of 7.62×51mm Ammunition [2022]
14 Million Rounds Of Small Arms Ammunition [2022]
100.000 DM51/DM51A2 Hand Grenades [2022]
3000 DM72A1 (PzF 3-IT) For Panzerfaust 3 [2022]
50 DM32 Bunkerfaust Rounds For Panzerfaust 3 [2022]
(Artillery) Ammunition [March and April 2022]
5300 Explosive Charges [2022]
100.000 Metres Detonating Cord [2022] (Delivered along with 450.000 detonators)
Military Gear
28.000 Helmets [2022]
15 Palettes Worth Of Military Clothing (Including 1300 Bulletproof Vests) [2022]
16 Palettes Worth Of Materiel For Explosive Ordnance Disposal [2022]
Miscellaneous Equipment
MiG-29 Fighter Jet Spare Parts [2022]
M2 Browning Heavy Machine Gun Spare Parts [2022]
38 Laser-Range Finders [2022]
20 Laser-Designators [2022]
353 Night Vision Goggles [2022]
165 Field Glasses [2022]
125 Binoculars [2022]
600 Safety Glasses [2022]
1 High Frequency Unit [August 2022]
1 Radio Frequency System [2022]
3000 Field Telephones [2022] (Delivered along with 5000 cable reels)
1000 Tents [2022]
10.000 Sleeping Bags [2022]
12 Generators [2022]
403.000 Meal, Ready-to-Eat (MREs) [2022]
Diesel And Gasoline [2022. Supplies ongoing]
10 Tonnes Of AdBlue [2022]
To Be Delivered
Surface-To-Air Missile (SAM) Systems (1 Battery)
1 IRIS-T SLM Battery* [To be delivered in December 2022]
Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft Guns (6)
6 Gepards* [Training started in June 2022. Delivered from July 2022 onwards]
Laser-Guided Rocket Systems (20)
20 70mm Laser-Guided Rocket Launchers On Pick-Up Trucks [To be delivered]
Multiple Rocket Launchers (2)
2 227mm M270 ''MARS'' [To be delivered]
Self-Propelled Artillery (100)
100 155mm PzH 2000s (Purchased by Ukraine from Krauss-Maffei Wegmann through the security capacity building fund)
Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) Vehicles (50)
50 Dingos [To be delivered]
Anti-Tank Weapons (5000)
5.032 Man-Portable Anti-Tank Weapons [To be delivered]
Anti-Drone Systems (24)
24 Anti-Drone Systems* [2022] (Including 40 Frequency Range Extension Devices)
Radars And Jammers (2)
8 Mobile Ground Surveillance Radars And Thermal Imaging Cameras* [To Be Delivered]
12 Communications Electronic Scanner/Jammer Systems* [To Be Delivered]
Surveillance Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (43)
43 Reconnaissance Drones* [To Be Delivered]
(Unmanned) Ships (10)
10(+10 Option) Autonomous Surface Vessels* [To Be Delivered]
Engineering Vehicles And Equipment (28)
12 Bergepanzer 2 Armoured Recovery Vehicles (ARVs)* [To Be Delivered]
16 Brückenlegepanzer Biber Bridgelayers [To Be Delivered]
Vehicles
14 HX81 Heavy Equipment and Tank Transporters* [To Be Delivered]
12 Oshkosh M1070 Heavy Equipment and Tank Transporters* [To Be Delivered]
10 Protected Vehicles* [To Be Delivered]
80 Pickup Trucks* [To Be Delivered]
200 Trucks* [To Be Delivered]
2 Tractors Along With 4 Trailers [To Be Delivered]
6 Lift Trucks [To Be Delivered]
Small Arms (300)
300 MG 3 General-Purpose Machine Guns [To Be Delivered]
Ammunition
4.592 Rounds of 40mm Ammunition For Automatic Grenade Launchers [To Be Delivered]
255 Volcano Guided Artillery Rounds For PzH 2000 SPG [To Be Delivered]
4592 155mm Artillery Rounds For PzH 2000 SPG [To Be Delivered]
Ammunition For The 227mm M270 ''MARS'' MLRS [To Be Delivered]
Miscellaneous Equipment
1 Vehicle Decontamination System [To Be Delivered]
Wenn das mal nicht ein beachtlicher Haufen Material ist !
Und beschließend zur Leopard 2 Frage: Da ich grundsätzlich kein Freund des bisherigen MBT Konzeptes bin, wäre es für mich rein von daher auch gar kein Problem einfach ALLE Leopard 2 der Bundeswehr abzugeben und stattdessen hier neue Konzepte zu verfolgen und die freiwerdenden Soldaten und Mittel anderweitig zu verwenden. Das einzige was dem entgegen spricht ist die Frage der politischen Zielsetzung. Aber meiner Überzeugung nach sollte es hier entweder / oder heißen. Also entweder liefern wir einfach alle die wir haben, oder keinen. Alles dazwischen macht keinen Sinn. Und welche der beiden einzig sinnvollen Optionen gewählt wird, hängt davon ab was für eine Strategie man verfolgt.