(01.02.2020, 12:26)Mondgesicht schrieb: Unsere östlichen Nachbarn haben 32 F35 bestellt. Kontraktwert ~4,2Mrd€.

Allerdings haben die Sparfüchse auf eine Beteiligung der eigenen Industrie verzichtet, nur ein (!) Ersatztriebwerk geordert und noch keine Waffen dazu.

Lieferungen ab 2024, heißt es.

Hier.

Zitat:Der Präsident der Philippinen, Rodrigo Duterte, hat den Kauf von weiteren 15 S-70i Black Hawk-Hubschraubern von PZL Mielec genehmigt. Duterte stimmte der Transaktion auf einer Regierungssitzung am 3. Februar zu. Die Philippinen erhielten die ersten 6 der 16 S-70i, die 2019 aus Polen bestellt wurden.

Zitat:"The war is lost in 5 days": the exercises of the Polish army "Winter-20" ended in complete failure

The Zima-20 command-staff exercise was held in Poland, but its results were extremely sad for the Polish military. The simulation of military operations even included new weapons systems ordered by Poland, but not yet delivered, such as Patriot air defense systems, MLRS HIMARS and F-35 fighters, writes the Polish portal Onet, citing a number of media outlets in their country.


According to the Polish Internet edition Interia, several thousand officers took part in the exercise. During the simulation, literally everything was taken into account. Even a reformed system of military command and control was used. But the exercises ended not only in complete failure, but in a gigantic disaster. The Polish Armed Forces were defeated in a very short time and ceased to exist.

The war is lost in 5 days

The portal clarified that the fierce defense on the eastern front led to the defeat of military units and huge losses among the military personnel. On the fifth day the enemy reached the Vistula line, but Poland no longer had an army to defend it.

(09.02.2021, 14:20)Quintus Fabius schrieb: https://en.topcor.ru/18461-vojna-proigrana-za-5-dnej-uchenija-polskoj-armii-zima-20-zakonchilis-polnoj-neudachej.html

Zitat:"The war is lost in 5 days": the exercises of the Polish army "Winter-20" ended in complete failure

The Zima-20 command-staff exercise was held in Poland, but its results were extremely sad for the Polish military. The simulation of military operations even included new weapons systems ordered by Poland, but not yet delivered, such as Patriot air defense systems, MLRS HIMARS and F-35 fighters, writes the Polish portal Onet, citing a number of media outlets in their country.


According to the Polish Internet edition Interia, several thousand officers took part in the exercise. During the simulation, literally everything was taken into account. Even a reformed system of military command and control was used. But the exercises ended not only in complete failure, but in a gigantic disaster. The Polish Armed Forces were defeated in a very short time and ceased to exist.

The war is lost in 5 days

The portal clarified that the fierce defense on the eastern front led to the defeat of military units and huge losses among the military personnel. On the fifth day the enemy reached the Vistula line, but Poland no longer had an army to defend it.

(07.08.2021, 14:49)Seafire schrieb: ttps://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/eu-deutschland-zahlt-rekordbetrag-in-eu-haushalt-dpa.urn-newsml-dpa-com-20090101-210806-99-735360

Deutschland hat im vergangenen Jahr trotz der Corona-Krise einen Rekordbeitrag von netto 19,4 Milliarden EUR nach Brüssel überwiesen. Frankreich steuerte 9,5 Milliarden bei. Polen erhielt 12,4 Milliarden mehr heraus als es einzahlte.

Da kann man die EU Begeisterung verstehen, wenn Warschau in den USA S-70 statt in Frankreich Hubschrauber kauft usw.

(07.08.2021, 14:49)Seafire schrieb: Da kann man die EU Begeisterung verstehen, wenn Warschau in den USA S-70 statt in Frankreich Hubschrauber kauft usw.

(07.08.2021, 16:11)lime schrieb: Polen bekommt das Geld völlig unabhängig davon wo sie ihre Rüstungsgüter kaufen. Strategisch gesehen ist es sogar äußert clever dies eher in den USA als in der EU zu tun.

Zitat:Poland buys further Black Hawks for special forces

Poland has finalised the procurement of a further four Lockheed Martin S-70i Black Hawk helicopters to add to the four already received.

The Polish Ministry of National Defence (MND) signed for the additional Black Hawks on 15 December, saying that the PLN666 million (USD162.5 million) deal has been concluded [...]. “The purchase of helicopters for special air operations results from the need to further develop the capabilities of the special forces in the scope of fulfilling obligations related to the membership of the Republic of Poland in NATO,” the MND said. “Further helicopters will increase the mobility of special forces subunits in the area of responding to asymmetric and hybrid threats, and a uniform fleet of aircraft will reduce the costs of the training process and logistic security”.

Zitat:Poland to choose between Apache and Viper for attack helo requirement

Poland is to choose between the Boeing AH-64E Apache Guardian and Bell AH-1Z Viper to fulfil its attack helicopter requirement, the government said on 21 April. [...]

“We have two offers on the table for attack helicopters – one from Boeing and [one from] Bell. We will choose the best offer. We want such weapons to be placed on the equipment as soon as possible,” Defence Minister Mariusz Błaszczak said.

Poland is in the midst of a helicopter recapitalisation effort to replace its Warsaw Pact-era inventory, with the recent emphasis having been on acquiring the Sikorsky S-70i Black Hawk as a new special forces type to replace its ageing Mil Mi-8/17 ‘Hip' platforms, as well as Leonardo AW101 Merlin anti-submarine warfare helicopters to replace the Mil Mi-14 ‘Haze'.

Zitat:Und zum Thema wer soll das bezahlen, und wer soll es bedienen ??