fazer600 schrieb:....
Der chinesische Träger hat offenbar kein Katapult, aber vielleicht schwebt den Chinesen - nach dem Vorbild der Sowjets - eine vergrößerte Trägerklasse vor mit Rampe und Katapult.....
der chinesische Träger ist ja auch zunächst nichts anderes, als ein "Erfahrungsprogramm". Ähnlich wie die ehemalige sowjetische Entwicklung könnte daraus durchaus eine Weiterentwicklung erfolgen. Das spekulieren auch Medien:
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Zitat: PLA on course for nuclear-powered aircraft carriers
As major projects on core technologies for nuclear-powered vessels are approved, experts say developing a suitable, safe engine may take time
Saturday, 23 February, 2013, 12:00am
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Beijing has approved funding for major projects to develop core technologies for nuclear-powered vessels, a first official indication of plans to build nuclear-powered aircraft carriers.
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A report posted on the website of the China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation, the largest state-owned shipbuilder, this week said the Ministry of Science and Technology had approved funding to its 719th Research Institute for two research projects, including core technologies and safety studies for nuclear-powered ships, as well as technical support for small nuclear reactors.
The shipbuilding giant is also the top contractor of the People's Liberation Army Navy and took charge of the refitting work for China's first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning.
Military experts said the report indicated that Beijing was formally kicking off its plan to develop indigenous nuclear-powered carriers.
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Zitat:Carrier-based aircraft regiment conducts flight training
（People's Daily Online） 08:11, February 25, 2013
A carrier-based aircraft regiment under the Navy of the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) conducts flight training after the Spring Festival on February 19, 2013.
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und die
Liaoning ist seit heute wieder unterwegs
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Zitat:...
27 February
CHINA
Aircraft carrier LIAONING (former VARYAG) has sailed from Dalian … reportedly headed for “permanent base” Qingdao.
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dazu CCTV Video: CV-16 Has Arrived Her New Base Near Qingdao
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Zitat:...
27 February
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CHINA
Aircraft carrier LIAONING has arrived at the Qingdao naval base, said to become home base.
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Damit dürfte auch die offizielle Eingliederung in die Nordflotte bestätigt sein.
Qingdao is home to China's Northern Fleet responsible for operations in waters surrounding Japan, Russia, the Korean Peninsula, and the Bohai Gulf.
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Zitat:The Liaoning may conduct blue water trials this year
(People's Daily Online)
08:31, March 07, 2013 ....
As the commander-in-chief of China's first aircraft carrier's sea trial and testing, Zhang
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said they will further carry out training for aircraft landing on the carrier this year and a variety of configurations training for the needs of future campaign and drills will be implemented too. "After the Liaoning and the carrier-based aircraft complete the two trials, it will be able to complete training and even combat missions in any waters."
Zhang said a group of new carrier-based aircraft pilots have been selected, and they will receive training later. "In the near future, a carrier-based aircraft unit will be formed. By then we will have a new unit to join the navy," he said.
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jo, sie ist in Qingdao-Xiaokouzi / Jiaonan
nochmal zurück: <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1156614/pla-course-nuclear-powered-aircraft-carriers">http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/ ... t-carriers</a><!-- m -->
Zitat:PLA on course for nuclear-powered aircraft carriers
As major projects on core technologies for nuclear-powered vessels are approved, experts say developing a suitable, safe engine may take time
Saturday, 23 February, 2013, 4:55am
Minnie Chan <!-- e --><a href="mailto:minnie.chan@scmp.com">minnie.chan@scmp.com</a><!-- e -->
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das erweist sich immer mehr als bla bla blubber - Wunschdenken oder Spekulation; bevor die Varjag nicht umfassend getestet und erprobt ist, werden die Chinesen keine neue Planung umsetzen
Erich schrieb:jo, sie ist in Qingdao-Xiaokouzi / Jiaonan
in dem Hafen, in dem die Liaoning inzwischen stationiert ist, hat auch die 1. Zerstörer-Flottile der PLAN ihren Heimathafen. Der Flottile gehören wohl auch die beiden Raketen-Abwehr-Zerstörer vom Typ 051 C an - das sind die beiden ohne Heli-Hangar. Das verwundert zunächst bei einem modernen Zerstörer - relativiert sich allerdings, wenn die entsprechenden Kapazitäten auf einem anderen Schiff bereit stehen. Dann kann es sinnvoll sein, den Hangar-Raum für andere Zwecke (z.B. für zusätzliche Abschussrohre von Abwehrraketen) zu nutzen. Und ein Träger hat entsprechenden Raum - so dass ich seit Jahren vermute, die beiden Zerstörer seien als Eskort-Schiffe für eine CBG gedacht.
Diese beiden sind auch ziemlich schwer bewaffnet. Als Luft und Seeschutz taugen die beiden als Eskorte für den Träger enorm.
ich kann mir nicht helfen - aber wenn ich das Video aus dem Heimatstützpunkt so anschau <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://p.you.video.sina.com.cn/swf/quotePlayer20130418_V4_4_41_56.swf?autoPlay=0&actlogActive=1&as=1&vid=101934471&uid=1&tokenURL=http%3A%2F%2Fyou.video.sina.com.cn%2Fapi%2FsinawebApi%2Foutplayrefer.php%2Fvid%3D101934471_1_O0O0SHc%2FDDbK%2Bl1lHz2stqkM7KQNt6nknynt71%2BiJw1YXA6HYIrfO4kK4SnXCcxG9WtM%2Fs.swf&tHostName=www.sinodefenceforum.com">http://p.you.video.sina.com.cn/swf/quot ... eforum.com</a><!-- m --> dann hab ich den Eindruck, dass der Träger für die nächste Ausfahrt fertig gemacht wird
bestätigt
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Zitat:China to send first aircraft carrier on high seas voyage: Xinhua
BEIJING | Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:22am EDT
(Reuters) - China will send its first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, on a voyage on the high seas for the first time within a year, the state-run news agency Xinhua said on Friday.
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Video <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AVUPr-LCz-w">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... VUPr-LCz-w</a><!-- m --> von der Vorbereitung der J-15 Piloten bis zu den Landungen auf der Liaoning.
Im Bild sind die Flugzeuge Nr. 552, 554 und 556 .... da fehlen Nummern, es müsste also mehr als die drei gezeigen Flugzeuge geben
Wie gehts weiter?
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Zitat:Carrier of navy's pride
Updated: 2013-04-19 07:32
By Zhao Shengnan (China Daily)
Zhao Shengnan shares her experience on aircraft carrier Liaoning ahead of navy's 64th anniversary on April 23.
Zhang Zheng got his first close-up of an aircraft carrier in Portsmouth, England, in 2002.
A decade later, he was named captain of China's first carrier, Liaoning.
"A big country cannot do without aircraft carriers," said Zhang, 44.
"As captain of China's first aircraft carrier, what I care about most is accomplishing our mission and ensuring the safety of the ship," he said.
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Now, our job is to conduct tests under increasingly complicated weather conditions, with different types of aircraft carrier-borne jets and a more comprehensive logistic capacity."
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"the Chinese navy needs to reach every place that other countries can reach to support the country's growth. The navy has to be able to compete with any naval force from any country in any area," he said.
"The world has been impressed by the navy's anti-piracy efforts in the Gulf of Aden and in Somalian waters, so the role Liaoning will play will further improve China's influence and lead the direction of its naval development."
Since 2008, China has sent 14 naval task forces on escort missions in the Gulf of Aden and off the coast of Somalia. Still, both Liaoning and the Chinese navy have a long way to go, said Captain Zhang.
"It's only natural that the political commissar and I are under pressure in the face of this task and I dare not make any mistakes," .....
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Zitat:...
18 April
CHINA
China Central TV: Aircraft carrier LIAONING may sail from Qingdao for her “first long-distance journey within a year”
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23 April
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CHINA
Dep CNS, RAdm Song Xue: “…will build a second, larger aircraft carrier capable of carrying more fighter jets” … “media reports saying it is being built in Shanghai inaccurate” … but did not elaborate.
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jetzt hab ich eine der Meldungen gefunden:
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Zitat:China's second aircraft carrier will be "larger"
English.news.cn | 2013-04-24 05:56:40 |
BEIJING, April 23 (Xinhua) -- A senior officer with the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy said on Tuesday that "China will have more than one aircraft carrier."
Song Xue, deputy chief of staff of the PLA Navy, told foreign military attaches at a ceremony to celebrate the Navy's 64th founding anniversary in Beijing, "The next aircraft carrier we need will be larger and carry more fighters."
However, Song said some foreign media reports on China's building new aircraft carriers in Shanghai were not accurate.
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und hier <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/24/china-navy-carrier-idUSL3N0DA9BT20130424?feedType=RSS&feedName=industrialsSector&rpc=43">http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/ ... tor&rpc=43</a><!-- m --> ist die nächste:
Zitat:China to build second, larger carrier - report
SHANGHAI, April 24 | Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:10pm EDT
(Reuters) - China will build a second, larger aircraft carrier capable of carrying more fighter jets, the official Xinhua news service reported late Tuesday, quoting a senior officer with the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy.
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Song also said the PLA Navy is building a naval aviation force for the Liaoning, and there will be at least two aviation regiments on one carrier, including fighters, reconnaissance aircraft, anti-submarine aircraft, electronic countermeasure (ECM) planes and rotary-wing aircraft, the report said.
Chinese officials have said the Liaoning will be used primarily for training purposes. (Reporting by Pete Sweeney; Editing by Richard Pullin)
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Zitat:China's first generation of 'aircraft carrier professionals'
April 23, 2013
The year 2012 is widely regarded as marking the beginning of an era in the history of Chinese aircraft carriers.
China's first aircraft carrier "Liaoning" was commissioned into the Chinese navy last September and officially anchored in a military port this February.
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Zhang Zheng, captain of "Liaoning", further elaborates.
"The first stage of the training is focused on building up the soldier's basic abilities and general skills. The second stage develops independent operation of equipments, and the third professionalism and expertise. All of the ship's crew need to pass these three stages; each stage of training weeds out those who can not pass."
Some 80-thousand people have taken part in various training courses related to the operation of the aircraft carrier before its crew was finally unveiled last September.